in the cyber environment, it's the same thing. intelligence is the key to understanding exactly what's occurring, not just what happened, but how and why they did it, and sharing information and intelligence, you have to identify threats before they are a problem. >> host: shawn henry, the guest, formally with the fbi, topic on cyber crimes out there against the country. thank you for your time and insight this morning. >> guest: thank you for having me, appreciate it. >> the mind set of the world well into the 1990s was that wire line access with stuff on poles or buried in the ground was the key to understanding competition and telecommunications. it's not -- the intriguing part of the wireless story is how very few people inside the industry, that's why the mckenzie report came out how it did. it was not just judge green and the fcc who did not understand the potential of wireless. it was the entire industry except for a few visionaries who were sort of regarded as kooks, and what turned out to be the case was the hope that som